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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #90 on: December 04, 2020, 01:23:23 PM
^ Congratulations on the order of a new 2021!!!

Please provide a "full report" once you've had some time on it :)

I have a feeling you're right about all the small changes adding up to a big improvement performance / handling wise


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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #91 on: December 10, 2020, 10:06:31 AM
The opinion on the looks of the 2021 S1000R seems to be 50:50 split. I like the aesthetics. Looks clean and tight. Slightly disappointed that the power on paper is still 165bhp but I'm convinced that it's still a huge amount for everyday riding. 200 bhp + is brilliant for pub willy waving but I dare say the top end of that power is unused and unusable most of the time by normal riders. I ride a 60 bhp Husqvarna FS450 and in the right hands it's plenty of power.

Can't wait to get my order in!

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #92 on: December 10, 2020, 01:57:34 PM
*Originally Posted by Crispy [+]
The opinion on the looks of the 2021 S1000R seems to be 50:50 split. I like the aesthetics. Looks clean and tight. Slightly disappointed that the power on paper is still 165bhp but I'm convinced that it's still a huge amount for everyday riding. 200 bhp + is brilliant for pub willy waving but I dare say the top end of that power is unused and unusable most of the time by normal riders. I ride a 60 bhp Husqvarna FS450 and in the right hands it's plenty of power.

Can't wait to get my order in!

^^^^ I don't think the power is worth talking about tbh - i know there are a lot of bikes out there with 190-210bhp but all that really matters on the road is 0-60mph time for that acceleration feeling (This most bikes have too much power for and are limited by flipping :)) and the 30-100mph time anything over 100mph is irrelevant on the road and if you plan to track it then the bike will be either good enough or if not you bought the wrong bike.

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #93 on: December 10, 2020, 02:54:12 PM
*Originally Posted by jaykay2000 [+]
^^^^ I don't think the power is worth talking about tbh - i know there are a lot of bikes out there with 190-210bhp but all that really matters on the road is 0-60mph time for that acceleration feeling (This most bikes have too much power for and are limited by flipping :)) and the 30-100mph time anything over 100mph is irrelevant on the road and if you plan to track it then the bike will be either good enough or if not you bought the wrong bike.

TBH torque curve likely counts more for 0-60 than horsepower. Big hp numbers will give you that top-end rush more than pure acceleration.

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Reply #94 on: December 10, 2020, 03:58:46 PM
*Originally Posted by zombie [+]
TBH torque curve likely counts more for 0-60 than horsepower. Big hp numbers will give you that top-end rush more than pure acceleration.

Exactly  :460:

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #95 on: December 12, 2020, 08:15:46 PM
Nice writeup with a bit of new (to me) info on the details of the bike.

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2021-bmw-r-1000-r-first-look

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #96 on: December 13, 2020, 12:46:15 AM
*Originally Posted by windyrun [+]
Nice writeup with a bit of new (to me) info on the details of the bike.

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/2021-bmw-r-1000-r-first-look

I agree with the detailed write up but subjectively, the previous model just looks better and with a bit more character. :034:

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #97 on: December 13, 2020, 10:46:24 AM
As has been said, many are not seeing the newer model being worth the extra money. I did consider holding fire on buying mine, but the discount was so good that even if the newer model had only been a few hundred more it would have been out of my price range.

Using the Configurator, trying to get as close to my sport as I can, it comes out at £4000 more than I paid and I cannot see where that value is on the new model.

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Reply #98 on: December 13, 2020, 12:18:55 PM
I completely get the reasoning and feelings about the new model if you're already an owner of the old model. On paper it's not that different according to the spec sheet. But, I think due to the universal high praise of the new S1000RR it's based upon I think it has the potential to out deliver the numbers. For me personally the new model will be a massive leap forwards over the 2018 CB1000R I currently ride (which is another bike which outperforms the spec sheet). New chassis, new suspension, new electronics, new suspension....enough new to make the previous generation feel old?

I await the first real reviews of the new 2021 S1000R to see how it stacks up against it's older brother

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #99 on: December 13, 2020, 01:41:00 PM
Interesting that the Revzilla article says “While the peak horsepower is 165 at 11,000 rpm and peak torque of 84 foot-pounds arrives at 9,250 rpm, BMW has retuned the engine to provide a flatter torque curve and says 70 percent of peak torque is available as low as 3,000 rpm” like this is some kind of change.

There are plenty of dyno charts around that show the current R making 70 percent of peak torque from 3,000rpm. Maybe things get a bit better in the midrange, but at the moment those specs are saying the 2021 R’s power and torque outputs are going to look very similar to the current bike across the rpm range  :027: