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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #80 on: November 28, 2020, 02:14:47 PM
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Speaking of prices. Does anyone know why the UK prices are so low? I was comparing base price without VAT and in Sweden the bike is 8% more expensive than in the UK. What's even crazier is if we look at the German price. The German base price is 9% more expensive compared to the UK (again without VAT) which also makes it slightly more expensive that in Sweden which makes zero sense in my mind. Then the UK peeps also have the Sport option which has the dynamic, comfort and headlight pro packs pre-selected and 290 quid cheaper compared to speccing them manually. After speccing the same bike in the UK and DE configurator and removing the VAT the UK bike came out 1420 quid cheaper than the German one. Just.. How?

Why would you remove the VAT?

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #81 on: November 28, 2020, 03:26:33 PM
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Why would you remove the VAT?

VAT will vary from country to country. So, if you want to compare what BMW are actually charging for any of their bikes, you have to remove the tax each government adds to give a fair comparison.
Last Edit: November 28, 2020, 03:26:54 PM by SimonS1KR

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #82 on: November 28, 2020, 03:42:23 PM
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It’s obviously one of the benefits of Brexit  :745:

Haha that must be it!

Was expecting it to be the other way around tbh.

*Originally Posted by TheRat [+]
Why would you remove the VAT?

What SimonS1KR said. VAT in Sweden is 25%, UK is 20% and in Germany it's currently only 16%.
Last Edit: November 28, 2020, 03:47:43 PM by ZaiCo

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #83 on: November 30, 2020, 08:52:58 AM
UK is a bike nation, much more competition between the dealers.
Higher competition = lower prices.

This might be compensated for by dumb dealership fees like we see in the US.

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #84 on: November 30, 2020, 06:33:13 PM
Yeah definitely more bikers, and you're right that there might be hidden dealer fees that aren't apparent when looking at the configurator.

I've been re-watching some videos of the new XR to hold me over until we get more of the R and I've noticed something I didn't think about at first. Both the RR and the XR have a ram-air intakes between the headlights, but the R only has its solid headlight seemingly blocking the intake completely. You can see the "neck" of the intake (I think) in the walkaround video of the red R posted earlier in this thread. It kinda looks like it was just left there after removing the ram-air intake and fairings of the RR and that they just put the new headlight on in front of it. It almost looks unfinished and I can't really figure out how air will get into it effectively compared to the RR and XR.

Any ideas, people? Have I missed something obvious?

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #85 on: December 01, 2020, 02:44:31 AM
*Originally Posted by ZaiCo [+]
You can see the "neck" of the intake (I think) in the walkaround video of the red R posted earlier in this thread. It kinda looks like it was just left there after removing the ram-air intake and fairings of the RR and that they just put the new headlight on in front of it. It almost looks unfinished and I can't really figure out how air will get into it effectively compared to the RR and XR.

So just like the R has had for the last six years, then.
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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #86 on: December 01, 2020, 06:35:49 AM
Oh, I thought the sort of "V" shape between the headlights was some kind of an intake on the old model.



I just don't understand how the R doesn't have performance issues -- which it clearly doesn't if the current gen is the same -- if the ram-air intake is needed for the other versions.

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #87 on: December 01, 2020, 11:44:43 AM
My guess is that 'ram-air' inly really comes into effect at stupid speeds.

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #88 on: December 01, 2020, 12:28:47 PM
A forward facing air intake isn’t necessarily a ram air intake. Ram air requires a specific, sealed intake design to achieve a beneficial effect at high speeds (rule of thumb seems to be that it starts to have a noticeable effect above 100mph, give or take). Might be important to RR owners, less so to R and XR owners.

The current R doesn’t have a sealed intake and, iirc, the airbox inlet has some kind of foam bung in it to reduce intake noise? No ram air going on there. Not sure if the XR has a sealed intake design or just a forward facing intake.

At the end of the day, as long as the intake can draw in air at ambient pressure, performance won’t suffer.

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Re: BMW official launch of the 2021 S1000R
Reply #89 on: December 04, 2020, 10:51:20 AM
Hi - signed up a while ago when i had a 2014 S1000R but looked back on here about a week ago to see what people thought about the new S1000.

I agree with most people about there not being a huge change and the front light could/should have been better.

However i have taken the plunge and ordered one got a feeling lots of little changes will turn out to make a better bike. The S1000RR is well rated so it can't be a bad bike being derived from this.

 



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