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MCN video review of Gen 3
on: July 29, 2021, 09:27:46 AM
Well Neevsey has released a video review on his thoughts of the Gen3 after 2000miles.


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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #1 on: July 29, 2021, 12:03:41 PM
Pretty much as expected really. I think in amongst the current range of supernakeds it's going to be a little bit lost, infact it already is a little bit lost as its barely ever mentioned in the same breath as the Tuono, SDR, Speed Triple and Streetfighter.

You could pretty much summarise it as such ... 'It's the new Honda CB1000'

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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #2 on: July 29, 2021, 01:32:12 PM
Cycleworld dyno'd the 2019 CB1000 at 120hp and 65 lb/ft.  The new s1000r dyno's at over 150 hp etc. or even one at 165.

https://www.cycleworld.com/story/bikes/how-much-power-does-the-2019-honda-cb1000r-make/

Also, the speed 1200 dynos at hp similar to the s1000r. More torque though. In fact, I'd be more inclined to say the speed 1200 "is the new s1000r".  Though at 20% more capacity I would hope for more power -- a LOT which isn't the case.

I'd say Neeves was more than anything expressing his disappointment and surprise that BMW didn't put the shift cam in the s1000r. He has a good point I'd say.
Last Edit: July 29, 2021, 02:17:30 PM by windyrun

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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #3 on: July 29, 2021, 01:59:57 PM
Personally, I don't think you can go wrong with any of the new bikes. The naked segment has come a long way of recent. Depending on your preferences of styling, engine config, whether you're a commuter or a wknd track rat, there's a flavor for everyone. "Best" is a really subjective.

Love my 18'.Great machine. Still puts a smile on my face. Would I buy the Gen 3 ? Don't think so. Not because its better or worse than any other, rather there are other bikes I would like to own.   

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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #4 on: July 29, 2021, 06:01:39 PM
I agree with Neevsey on both his main complaints, the new front styling is uninspired and boring, there were many artist's renditions before the official launch of a more "S1000RR-ish" front end that would have looked far better (IMO)

A mildly re-tuned S1000RR Shiftcam engine with 190-200hp would have made a lot more sense, IMO. They already have a more common-sense naked w/ the F900R, they needed to show they're aiming at the Ducati and KTM, not the Suzuki and Yamaha.

The fact this isn't a 200hp fire-breathing monster takes it out of contention with the "big" super-nakeds, but the price-tag puts it right back in, IMO.

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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #5 on: August 01, 2021, 04:33:59 PM
I love it. Absolute wheelie machine.


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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #6 on: August 06, 2021, 10:32:51 AM
I think they’ve engineered an excellent bike, as usual from BMW - you’d expect nothing less.
Unfortunately they haven’t engineered in any desirability, so it will stay in the “also-rans” pool until they do - no matter how good the actual bike is.

If they made an M1000R model, on the other hand, they could go batshit crazy in a smaller production run and leave the existing model as is. Maybe change that awful front end down the line too…


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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #7 on: August 07, 2021, 08:30:59 AM
The desirability factor is a matter of personal choice. I bought my S1000R because of that very fact. We're all different.

As for producing a M model R, that would come with a huge price hike. BMW have already covered that option with the RR with a price to match.

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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #8 on: August 07, 2021, 10:24:10 AM
Indeed, it’s all personal opinion. Sadly it didn’t even entice me into a test ride - each to their own  :821:

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Re: MCN video review of Gen 3
Reply #9 on: August 08, 2021, 06:33:39 AM
Several independent tests put the 21R on par or better than the Tuono, V4S, SDR and Speed Triple in the 0-200kph times. All these other supernakeds have more cc than the 21R to produce the extra power.  So, what we are missing in the 21R is just the headline peak power at very high revs and the brutal torque of the twins or V4.  The 21R has the smoothest power delivery and best road handling.  if I needed a track bike, I would just get the RR. And the 21R still have the edge in price at 14,000, one can get a bike with all the electronics weighing 199kg. So Michael Neeves rightly points out that the 21R is still the best value and his favorite naked bike for most days on the road.